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Цитата: Guldrelokk от января 23, 2018, 17:36
Из английских же книг XVII века можно целиком брать огромные куски и подсовывать людям под видом современных, подвоха никто не заметит.

Цитата: Alone Coder от января 23, 2018, 17:43
Не согласен с предыдущим оратором. Например, в славянском фонетические процессы, запущенные законом возрастающей звучности, были достаточно предсказуемыми.

Цитата: Alone Coder от января 23, 2018, 17:43
Не согласен с предыдущим оратором. Например, в славянском фонетические процессы, запущенные законом возрастающей звучности, были достаточно предсказуемыми.

Цитата: Wolliger Mensch от января 23, 2018, 20:24
Как не сможете вы определить, ни объяснить, куда в свободных условиях поплывёт/поплыл косяк рыбы в следующий момент.

Цитата: Сяргей Леанідавіч от января 24, 2018, 13:31
Т.е. произведения Шекспира в оригинале на английском языке того времени тоже нормально читаются современными англоязычными?

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A lot of people that I talk to have given me a lot of the following responses when I try to talk to them about Shakespeare: "I hate Shakespeare. I don't get the language." "The stories are boring.", "He is just an old dead guy, why is he so important to our history?", and my favorite so far that I have heard is: "What the heck is this character saying? Why are there so many thees, thous, and wherefores in the speeches? Why can't they just speak normally?" Those are just some of the thing I hear from people when I try to talk Shakespeare. And I have got to ask why and how this fear of all these "foreign" words got started? ...

So, after reading this article I thought what makes his version of Shakespeare more accessible to the masses? What made Shakespeare so accessible to his audience, apart from the fact that they could understand the language and get the jokes? ...

Цитата: Сяргей Леанідавіч от января 24, 2018, 13:31
Т.е. произведения Шекспира в оригинале на английском языке того времени тоже нормально читаются современными англоязычными?

Цитата: Сяргей Леанідавіч от января 24, 2018, 13:46
Кстати, кто предавался удовольствию чтения Шекспира в оригинале: насколько там сложный язык, каким уровнем английского для постижения оного надо обладать?

Цитата: zwh от января 24, 2018, 14:03

ЦитироватьA lot of people that I talk to have given me a lot of the following responses when I try to talk to them about Shakespeare: "I hate Shakespeare. I don't get the language." "The stories are boring.", "He is just an old dead guy, why is he so important to our history?", and my favorite so far that I have heard is: "What the heck is this character saying? Why are there so many thees, thous, and wherefores in the speeches? Why can't they just speak normally?" Those are just some of the thing I hear from people when I try to talk Shakespeare. And I have got to ask why and how this fear of all these "foreign" words got started? ...

So, after reading this article I thought what makes his version of Shakespeare more accessible to the masses? What made Shakespeare so accessible to his audience, apart from the fact that they could understand the language and get the jokes? ...

ЦитироватьTo be, or not to be, that is the Question:
Whether 'tis Nobler in the minde to suffer
The Slings and Arrowes of outragious Fortune,
Or to take Armes against a Sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them: to dye, to sleepe
No more; and by a sleepe, to say we end
The Heart-ake, and the thousand Naturall shockes
That Flesh is heyre too? 'Tis a consummation
Deuoutly to be wish'd. To dye to sleepe,
To sleepe, perchance to Dreame; I, there's the rub,
For in that sleepe of death, what dreames may come,
When we haue shufflel'd off this mortall coile,
Must giue vs pawse. There's the respect
That makes Calamity of so long life:

Цитата: Сяргей Леанідавіч от января 24, 2018, 13:31Т.е. произведения Шекспира в оригинале на английском языке того времени тоже нормально читаются современными англоязычными?

Цитата: Lodur от января 24, 2018, 15:05
Они даже мною, например, нормально читаются. А я ни разу не англоязычный.

ЦитироватьTuesday 3 January 1659/60
I went out in the morning, it being a great frost, and walked to Mrs. Turner's to stop her from coming to see me to-day, because of Mrs. Jem's coming, thence I went to the Temple to speak with Mr. Calthrop, and walked in his chamber an hour, but could not see him, so went to Westminster, where I found soldiers in my office to receive money, and paid it them. At noon went home, where Mrs. Jem, her maid, Mr. Sheply, Hawly, and Moore dined with me on a piece of beef and cabbage, and a collar of brawn. We then fell to cards till dark, and then I went home with Mrs. Jem, and meeting Mr. Hawly got him to bear me company to Chancery Lane, where I spoke with Mr. Calthrop, he told me that Sir James Calthrop was lately dead, but that he would write to his Lady, that the money may be speedily paid. Thence back to White Hall, where I understood that the Parliament had passed the act for indemnity to the soldiers and officers that would come in, in so many days, and that my Lord Lambert should have benefit of the said act. They had also voted that all vacancies in the House, by the death of any of the old members, shall be filled up; but those that are living shall not be called in. Thence I went home, and there found Mr. Hunt and his wife, and Mr. Hawly, who sat with me till ten at night at cards, and so broke up and to bed.

Цитата: Сяргей Леанідавіч от января 24, 2018, 14:54
Сложна...Лучше посоветуйте кто каких-нибудь англоязычных книжек, которые и не сильно напряжные, но благодаря которым можно и словарный запас увеличивать.

Цитата: Guldrelokk от января 24, 2018, 19:43
Страшная изменчивость английского — это миф.

Цитата: Guldrelokk от января 24, 2018, 19:43
Страшная изменчивость английского — это миф.

Цитата: Wolliger Mensch от января 24, 2018, 19:50
Остапа понесло...

Цитата: Guldrelokk от января 24, 2018, 19:52

Цитата: Wolliger Mensch от января 24, 2018, 19:50
Остапа понесло...

Я же примеры привожу. Что было до XIII века — это другой разговор.

Цитата: Сяргей Леанідавіч от января 24, 2018, 20:36
Поясните про слом.