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Название: idioms
Отправлено: Sabina от февраля 17, 2006, 14:52
 I've noticed the usage of the words 'Dutch' and 'cat' in English phraseology is mostly negative, isn't it? Do you have any ideas on the matter?
Название: Re: idioms
Отправлено: Rezia от февраля 17, 2006, 19:42
Well, the idea that "cat" is used with negative connotation... I' ve never heard of that. Could you provide examples?
As for "Dutch", yes, it's negative, because of the wars in the XVII-th century and the competiton between England and Holland (at sea). E.g. Dutch comfort, Dutch defence, Dutch concert, Dutch courage.
Название: Re: idioms
Отправлено: Rezia от февраля 17, 2006, 19:55
Not so long ago I read somewhere that in the nineties there was a special guide issued by "L.A. Times". This was a description of what can be said in mass media and what should be avoided. So according to this guide such idioms (with the word "Dutch") should not be mentioned in newspaper articles, news programs and so on. They bear pejorative coloring, as well as "black", "Negro", etc.
Название: Re: idioms
Отправлено: Radley от февраля 18, 2006, 13:45
There probaby is some negativism attached to the word 'cat'. Just remember expressions like 'not enough room to swing a cat' or 'curiosity killed the cat'. Animal cruelty at its worst.
'Tomcat', on the other hand, is very far from negative, quite the contrary :)
Название: idioms
Отправлено: macabro от февраля 18, 2006, 14:18
Цитировать'not enough room to swing a cat'
:E:
nice one!  :D
Название: Re: idioms
Отправлено: Rezia от февраля 18, 2006, 14:37
Цитата: Radley от февраля 18, 2006, 13:45
'Tomcat'
It is not an idiom. It should be at least two words long. Well, there are many idioms with the word "cat" which are positive. Like a cat that stole the cream (satisfied), like a cat with nine lives (powerful).
Название: Re: idioms
Отправлено: Radley от февраля 18, 2006, 14:44
Цитата: "Rezia" от
It is not an idiom. It should be at least two words long
Nah, I know it's not an idiom. It was just the first cat-related positive example I could think of :)
Название: idioms
Отправлено: celine99 от июня 27, 2006, 13:27
Is there an idiom 'it's raining cats and dogs'? Or is it outdated? It's not positive though
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Отправлено: Radley от июня 27, 2006, 13:35
Came across that one a few times in writing. Never in oral speech though.
Название: idioms
Отправлено: Seryj Slon от июля 19, 2006, 22:46
Цитата: celine99 от июня 27, 2006, 13:27
Is there an idiom 'it's raining cats and dogs'? Or is it outdated? It's not positive though
I heard the modern variant of this idiom -- 'it's pissing cats and dogs'  ;D this came from my acquaintance who knew English far better than I...
Название: idioms
Отправлено: Seryj Slon от июля 20, 2006, 11:54
Sorry, this variant sounds just as 'it`s pissing down', without cats or dogs.
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Отправлено: RawonaM от июля 20, 2006, 12:26
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22pissing+cats+and+dogs%22
Название: Re: idioms
Отправлено: Rezia от июля 20, 2006, 12:55
I wonder whether it is possible to say "he/she is ..." in this case, using "piss" in its direct (low) meaning. What is more it seems there's some kind of elevation of meaning for the verb "to piss" in this context  - it's pissing cats and dogs, as it is about the rain, which is inanimate, not about a person.