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deistvitelno ochen izvinyayus'... k sojaleniyu u menya tolko francuzskaya klaviatura na kotorom netu russkix bukv, tak chto esli daje postavit raskladku, vryat li ya smogu pisat ruskimi bukvami, tak kak ix raspolojeniye ya naizust ne znayu.
nadeyus' cherez 2-3 dnya u menya budet vneshnyaya klaviatura gde budut i russkiye bukvi, tak chto v posleduyushchix postax budu pisat kak sleduet.

izvinite za opozdaniye, moi domashni komp umer posle updeita, i ne bilo vremeni dlya vosstanovleniya sistemi.
vot vam neskolko ssilok naschet proiznosheniya tsade:

1 - glava 1.1.3 - Hebrew Sibilants
[url=https://books.google.de/books?id=7fuZAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA237&lpg=PA237&dq=aramaic+tsade+zayin&source=bl&ots=tkfuVRTVdB&sig=QYvGJsutByO1UIpxHF2hraiPJtc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwji0-_Y9NnVAhVDJ1AKHbk9AZY4ChDoAQgxMAE#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20zayin&f=falsehttps://books.google.de/books?id=7fuZAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA237&lpg=PA237&dq=aramaic tsade zayin&source=bl&ots=tkfuVRTVdB&sig=QYvGJsutByO1UIpxHF2hraiPJtc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwji0-_Y9NnVAhVDJ1AKHbk9AZY4ChDoAQgxMAE#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20zayin&f=false[/url[/url]]

2 - opyat na schet ispolzovaniye ts vmesto z
[url=https://books.google.de/books?id=f4ZJCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA120&lpg=PA120&dq=aramaic+tsade+z&source=bl&ots=KbRcTX7ppT&sig=yAxF77lfv5KpxrcWZshqfqbOgTQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjCiq_AiNrVAhXIlxoKHWeXCfQQ6AEIRDAE#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20z&f=falsehttps://books.google.de/books?id=f4ZJCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA120&lpg=PA120&dq=aramaic tsade z&source=bl&ots=KbRcTX7ppT&sig=yAxF77lfv5KpxrcWZshqfqbOgTQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjCiq_AiNrVAhXIlxoKHWeXCfQQ6AEIRDAE#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20z&f=false[/url[/url]]

[url=https://books.google.de/books?id=_TaWBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA2&lpg=PA2&dq=aramaic+tsade+zayin&source=bl&ots=Kjd5h_5l2K&sig=-HAFxY4583MEIoYEuRaNfKPdKDs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuj9fc8tnVAhXGJFAKHe-FCHoQ6AEIQTAD#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20zayin&f=falsehttps://books.google.de/books?id=_TaWBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA2&lpg=PA2&dq=aramaic tsade zayin&source=bl&ots=Kjd5h_5l2K&sig=-HAFxY4583MEIoYEuRaNfKPdKDs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuj9fc8tnVAhXGJFAKHe-FCHoQ6AEIQTAD#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20zayin&f=false[/url[/url]]

Chto eshe raz pokazivaet chto proiznosheniye bukvi tsade razoshlas i mogla davat kak ts tak i s/z zvuki.

3 - stranica 11
http://www.hallelu-yah.nl/Early-Semitic.pdf

4 - paragaf 6 (perexod tsadev zetu, a ne sigmu ili sampi)
[url=https://books.google.de/books?id=6fE8AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA8&dq=tsade+zayin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJ9fPNq5PWAhVDbFAKHWiECb0Q6AEITzAH#v=onepage&q=tsade%20zayin&f=falsehttps://books.google.de/books?id=6fE8AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA8&dq=tsade zayin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJ9fPNq5PWAhVDbFAKHWiECb0Q6AEITzAH#v=onepage&q=tsade%20zayin&f=false[/url[/url]]

5 - na pervoy je stranice  - "but the Hebrew tsade is vocalized in Aramaic (but not in Syriac) as a zayin"
"Aramaic sometimes uses different letters to represent the same sounds, such as the Mem / Nun (נ-מ), the Tsade / Zayin (ז-צ) ,(Tsade / Teth (ט-צ (Tsade / Eyin (ע-צ (or Quf .(ש-ת) Thaw / Shin the and) ז-ד) Dalet / Zayin) צ-ק)

https://righteousendeavour.com/ressources/afe5d9285f6991c5a1d241772703d2e76f447612.PDF

Eshe raz vidim chto odni i te je bukvi v ivrite i arameiskom chasto mogli imet' razniye foneticheskiye znacheniya, tak chto smotret na proshloe nujno cherez ochki toi epoxi.

5 - vot eshe na zametku, togda kak Tsade v finikiiskom, rannem ivrite i ivrite nazivaetsya TS-ade / Tsaddi v arameistom on S-adhe (opyat vidno smeshcheniye emfatichesskogo TS v S)
[url=https://books.google.de/books?id=x2QRu5-rVZgC&pg=PA99-IA63&lpg=PA99-IA63&dq=aramaic+tsade+zayin&source=bl&ots=MO8DLzyLIL&sig=Pojj3PGlBqrLdr174qtkc3Hqd7s&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuj9fc8tnVAhXGJFAKHe-FCHoQ6AEIYzAN#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20zayin&f=falsehttps://books.google.de/books?id=x2QRu5-rVZgC&pg=PA99-IA63&lpg=PA99-IA63&dq=aramaic tsade zayin&source=bl&ots=MO8DLzyLIL&sig=Pojj3PGlBqrLdr174qtkc3Hqd7s&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuj9fc8tnVAhXGJFAKHe-FCHoQ6AEIYzAN#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20zayin&f=false[/url[/url]]

ne znayu naskolko eto officialni istochnik, no opyat taki govoritsya chto TZade ivrita eto Zade v arameiskom i daet Z v latini, tam je govoritsya - "Why Z for tzade? - There are lots of Jews today who pronounce the "tsade" sound as a Z sound. Z is the closest letter in the alphabet to the tsade sound."
http://loveandtruth.net/neopaleo.html


Vot eshe primeri, imena mest i lyudey soderjashchix Tsade pri perevode novogo zaveta davali ne Sigmu a Zeta,
- Nazaret /N-Ts-R-T/ pereshol v Ναζαρεθ /N-Z-R-Th/
- Tsiyyon /Ts- / pereshol v Zion /Z- /
A semitic Z tsade becoming a zeta.
- In judges 8 we have the Midianite king Zalmunna , the LXX transliterates with a sigma but Josephus in Antiquities V.6.5 uses a zeta.
- In genesis 13:10 we have the place Zoar and the LXX uses a zeta as does Josephus in Antiquitie I.11.4.
- In in 1 Samuel 14:4 there is a cliff called Bozez. The LXX uses a zeta (first) and a sigma (second).
- In Genesis 22.21 we have Uz and Buz. The LXX uses a zeta and Josephus uses both a zeta and a sigma in each word.

There was tendency for a semitic tsade falling between voiced consonants to take on a zayin sound in palestine.

Isxodya iz vsego vishe upomyanutogo posto fakt chto evreiskaya bukva TSade v arameiskom deistvitelno davala ne TS a S ili daje Z (chto vidno eshe naglyadnee pri perevodax imen)

Ya ne znayu na skolko eto tendenciya ostalas v pozdniye epoxi i proisxodyat li vishe upomyanutiye vzaimozameni po sei den, no eto dlya nas nichto ne manyayet, tak kak nam nujno znat chto proisxodilo togda, v epoxu kogda arameiski alfavit podgonyali dlya ispolzovaniya dlya gruzinskogo.

 

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