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Posted by: Sandar
« on: September 7, 2017, 21:53 »deistvitelno ochen izvinyayus'... k sojaleniyu u menya tolko francuzskaya klaviatura na kotorom netu russkix bukv, tak chto esli daje postavit raskladku, vryat li ya smogu pisat ruskimi bukvami, tak kak ix raspolojeniye ya naizust ne znayu.
nadeyus' cherez 2-3 dnya u menya budet vneshnyaya klaviatura gde budut i russkiye bukvi, tak chto v posleduyushchix postax budu pisat kak sleduet.
Posted by: Wolliger Mensch
« on: September 7, 2017, 21:37 »deistvitelno ochen izvinyayus'... k sojaleniyu u menya tolko francuzskaya klaviatura na kotorom netu russkix bukv, tak chto esli daje postavit raskladku, vryat li ya smogu pisat ruskimi bukvami, tak kak ix raspolojeniye ya naizust ne znayu.
nadeyus' cherez 2-3 dnya u menya budet vneshnyaya klaviatura gde budut i russkiye bukvi, tak chto v posleduyushchix postax budu pisat kak sleduet.
Сами мы не местные…
Posted by: Tibaren
« on: September 7, 2017, 20:04 »Транслитом или виртуальной раскладкой не пробовали пользоваться?
Posted by: TExan
« on: September 7, 2017, 19:46 »deistvitelno ochen izvinyayus'... k sojaleniyu u menya tolko francuzskaya klaviatura na kotorom netu russkix bukv, tak chto esli daje postavit raskladku, vryat li ya smogu pisat ruskimi bukvami, tak kak ix raspolojeniye ya naizust ne znayu.
nadeyus' cherez 2-3 dnya u menya budet vneshnyaya klaviatura gde budut i russkiye bukvi, tak chto v posleduyushchix postax budu pisat kak sleduet.
nadeyus' cherez 2-3 dnya u menya budet vneshnyaya klaviatura gde budut i russkiye bukvi, tak chto v posleduyushchix postax budu pisat kak sleduet.
Posted by: ivanovgoga
« on: September 7, 2017, 19:36 »TExan.
Я очень извиняюсь, но поставьте русскую раскладку-дело двух минут, а то читать очень неудобно.
Я очень извиняюсь, но поставьте русскую раскладку-дело двух минут, а то читать очень неудобно.
Posted by: TExan
« on: September 7, 2017, 18:36 »izvinite za opozdaniye, moi domashni komp umer posle updeita, i ne bilo vremeni dlya vosstanovleniya sistemi.
vot vam neskolko ssilok naschet proiznosheniya tsade:
1 - glava 1.1.3 - Hebrew Sibilants
[url=https://books.google.de/books?id=7fuZAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA237&lpg=PA237&dq=aramaic+tsade+zayin&source=bl&ots=tkfuVRTVdB&sig=QYvGJsutByO1UIpxHF2hraiPJtc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwji0-_Y9NnVAhVDJ1AKHbk9AZY4ChDoAQgxMAE#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20zayin&f=falsehttps://books.google.de/books?id=7fuZAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA237&lpg=PA237&dq=aramaic tsade zayin&source=bl&ots=tkfuVRTVdB&sig=QYvGJsutByO1UIpxHF2hraiPJtc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwji0-_Y9NnVAhVDJ1AKHbk9AZY4ChDoAQgxMAE#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20zayin&f=false[/url[/url]]
2 - opyat na schet ispolzovaniye ts vmesto z
[url=https://books.google.de/books?id=f4ZJCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA120&lpg=PA120&dq=aramaic+tsade+z&source=bl&ots=KbRcTX7ppT&sig=yAxF77lfv5KpxrcWZshqfqbOgTQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjCiq_AiNrVAhXIlxoKHWeXCfQQ6AEIRDAE#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20z&f=falsehttps://books.google.de/books?id=f4ZJCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA120&lpg=PA120&dq=aramaic tsade z&source=bl&ots=KbRcTX7ppT&sig=yAxF77lfv5KpxrcWZshqfqbOgTQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjCiq_AiNrVAhXIlxoKHWeXCfQQ6AEIRDAE#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20z&f=false[/url[/url]]
[url=https://books.google.de/books?id=_TaWBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA2&lpg=PA2&dq=aramaic+tsade+zayin&source=bl&ots=Kjd5h_5l2K&sig=-HAFxY4583MEIoYEuRaNfKPdKDs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuj9fc8tnVAhXGJFAKHe-FCHoQ6AEIQTAD#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20zayin&f=falsehttps://books.google.de/books?id=_TaWBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA2&lpg=PA2&dq=aramaic tsade zayin&source=bl&ots=Kjd5h_5l2K&sig=-HAFxY4583MEIoYEuRaNfKPdKDs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuj9fc8tnVAhXGJFAKHe-FCHoQ6AEIQTAD#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20zayin&f=false[/url[/url]]
Chto eshe raz pokazivaet chto proiznosheniye bukvi tsade razoshlas i mogla davat kak ts tak i s/z zvuki.
3 - stranica 11
http://www.hallelu-yah.nl/Early-Semitic.pdf
4 - paragaf 6 (perexod tsadev zetu, a ne sigmu ili sampi)
[url=https://books.google.de/books?id=6fE8AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA8&dq=tsade+zayin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJ9fPNq5PWAhVDbFAKHWiECb0Q6AEITzAH#v=onepage&q=tsade%20zayin&f=falsehttps://books.google.de/books?id=6fE8AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA8&dq=tsade zayin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJ9fPNq5PWAhVDbFAKHWiECb0Q6AEITzAH#v=onepage&q=tsade%20zayin&f=false[/url[/url]]
5 - na pervoy je stranice - "but the Hebrew tsade is vocalized in Aramaic (but not in Syriac) as a zayin"
"Aramaic sometimes uses different letters to represent the same sounds, such as the Mem / Nun (נ-מ), the Tsade / Zayin (ז-צ) ,(Tsade / Teth (ט-צ (Tsade / Eyin (ע-צ (or Quf .(ש-ת) Thaw / Shin the and) ז-ד) Dalet / Zayin) צ-ק)
https://righteousendeavour.com/ressources/afe5d9285f6991c5a1d241772703d2e76f447612.PDF
Eshe raz vidim chto odni i te je bukvi v ivrite i arameiskom chasto mogli imet' razniye foneticheskiye znacheniya, tak chto smotret na proshloe nujno cherez ochki toi epoxi.
5 - vot eshe na zametku, togda kak Tsade v finikiiskom, rannem ivrite i ivrite nazivaetsya TS-ade / Tsaddi v arameistom on S-adhe (opyat vidno smeshcheniye emfatichesskogo TS v S)
[url=https://books.google.de/books?id=x2QRu5-rVZgC&pg=PA99-IA63&lpg=PA99-IA63&dq=aramaic+tsade+zayin&source=bl&ots=MO8DLzyLIL&sig=Pojj3PGlBqrLdr174qtkc3Hqd7s&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuj9fc8tnVAhXGJFAKHe-FCHoQ6AEIYzAN#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20zayin&f=falsehttps://books.google.de/books?id=x2QRu5-rVZgC&pg=PA99-IA63&lpg=PA99-IA63&dq=aramaic tsade zayin&source=bl&ots=MO8DLzyLIL&sig=Pojj3PGlBqrLdr174qtkc3Hqd7s&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuj9fc8tnVAhXGJFAKHe-FCHoQ6AEIYzAN#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20zayin&f=false[/url[/url]]
ne znayu naskolko eto officialni istochnik, no opyat taki govoritsya chto TZade ivrita eto Zade v arameiskom i daet Z v latini, tam je govoritsya - "Why Z for tzade? - There are lots of Jews today who pronounce the "tsade" sound as a Z sound. Z is the closest letter in the alphabet to the tsade sound."
http://loveandtruth.net/neopaleo.html
Vot eshe primeri, imena mest i lyudey soderjashchix Tsade pri perevode novogo zaveta davali ne Sigmu a Zeta,
- Nazaret /N-Ts-R-T/ pereshol v Ναζαρεθ /N-Z-R-Th/
- Tsiyyon /Ts- / pereshol v Zion /Z- /
A semitic Z tsade becoming a zeta.
- In judges 8 we have the Midianite king Zalmunna , the LXX transliterates with a sigma but Josephus in Antiquities V.6.5 uses a zeta.
- In genesis 13:10 we have the place Zoar and the LXX uses a zeta as does Josephus in Antiquitie I.11.4.
- In in 1 Samuel 14:4 there is a cliff called Bozez. The LXX uses a zeta (first) and a sigma (second).
- In Genesis 22.21 we have Uz and Buz. The LXX uses a zeta and Josephus uses both a zeta and a sigma in each word.
There was tendency for a semitic tsade falling between voiced consonants to take on a zayin sound in palestine.
Isxodya iz vsego vishe upomyanutogo posto fakt chto evreiskaya bukva TSade v arameiskom deistvitelno davala ne TS a S ili daje Z (chto vidno eshe naglyadnee pri perevodax imen)
Ya ne znayu na skolko eto tendenciya ostalas v pozdniye epoxi i proisxodyat li vishe upomyanutiye vzaimozameni po sei den, no eto dlya nas nichto ne manyayet, tak kak nam nujno znat chto proisxodilo togda, v epoxu kogda arameiski alfavit podgonyali dlya ispolzovaniya dlya gruzinskogo.
vot vam neskolko ssilok naschet proiznosheniya tsade:
1 - glava 1.1.3 - Hebrew Sibilants
[url=https://books.google.de/books?id=7fuZAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA237&lpg=PA237&dq=aramaic+tsade+zayin&source=bl&ots=tkfuVRTVdB&sig=QYvGJsutByO1UIpxHF2hraiPJtc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwji0-_Y9NnVAhVDJ1AKHbk9AZY4ChDoAQgxMAE#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20zayin&f=falsehttps://books.google.de/books?id=7fuZAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA237&lpg=PA237&dq=aramaic tsade zayin&source=bl&ots=tkfuVRTVdB&sig=QYvGJsutByO1UIpxHF2hraiPJtc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwji0-_Y9NnVAhVDJ1AKHbk9AZY4ChDoAQgxMAE#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20zayin&f=false[/url[/url]]
2 - opyat na schet ispolzovaniye ts vmesto z
[url=https://books.google.de/books?id=f4ZJCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA120&lpg=PA120&dq=aramaic+tsade+z&source=bl&ots=KbRcTX7ppT&sig=yAxF77lfv5KpxrcWZshqfqbOgTQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjCiq_AiNrVAhXIlxoKHWeXCfQQ6AEIRDAE#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20z&f=falsehttps://books.google.de/books?id=f4ZJCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA120&lpg=PA120&dq=aramaic tsade z&source=bl&ots=KbRcTX7ppT&sig=yAxF77lfv5KpxrcWZshqfqbOgTQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjCiq_AiNrVAhXIlxoKHWeXCfQQ6AEIRDAE#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20z&f=false[/url[/url]]
[url=https://books.google.de/books?id=_TaWBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA2&lpg=PA2&dq=aramaic+tsade+zayin&source=bl&ots=Kjd5h_5l2K&sig=-HAFxY4583MEIoYEuRaNfKPdKDs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuj9fc8tnVAhXGJFAKHe-FCHoQ6AEIQTAD#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20zayin&f=falsehttps://books.google.de/books?id=_TaWBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA2&lpg=PA2&dq=aramaic tsade zayin&source=bl&ots=Kjd5h_5l2K&sig=-HAFxY4583MEIoYEuRaNfKPdKDs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuj9fc8tnVAhXGJFAKHe-FCHoQ6AEIQTAD#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20zayin&f=false[/url[/url]]
Chto eshe raz pokazivaet chto proiznosheniye bukvi tsade razoshlas i mogla davat kak ts tak i s/z zvuki.
3 - stranica 11
http://www.hallelu-yah.nl/Early-Semitic.pdf
4 - paragaf 6 (perexod tsadev zetu, a ne sigmu ili sampi)
[url=https://books.google.de/books?id=6fE8AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA8&dq=tsade+zayin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJ9fPNq5PWAhVDbFAKHWiECb0Q6AEITzAH#v=onepage&q=tsade%20zayin&f=falsehttps://books.google.de/books?id=6fE8AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA8&dq=tsade zayin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJ9fPNq5PWAhVDbFAKHWiECb0Q6AEITzAH#v=onepage&q=tsade%20zayin&f=false[/url[/url]]
5 - na pervoy je stranice - "but the Hebrew tsade is vocalized in Aramaic (but not in Syriac) as a zayin"
"Aramaic sometimes uses different letters to represent the same sounds, such as the Mem / Nun (נ-מ), the Tsade / Zayin (ז-צ) ,(Tsade / Teth (ט-צ (Tsade / Eyin (ע-צ (or Quf .(ש-ת) Thaw / Shin the and) ז-ד) Dalet / Zayin) צ-ק)
https://righteousendeavour.com/ressources/afe5d9285f6991c5a1d241772703d2e76f447612.PDF
Eshe raz vidim chto odni i te je bukvi v ivrite i arameiskom chasto mogli imet' razniye foneticheskiye znacheniya, tak chto smotret na proshloe nujno cherez ochki toi epoxi.
5 - vot eshe na zametku, togda kak Tsade v finikiiskom, rannem ivrite i ivrite nazivaetsya TS-ade / Tsaddi v arameistom on S-adhe (opyat vidno smeshcheniye emfatichesskogo TS v S)
[url=https://books.google.de/books?id=x2QRu5-rVZgC&pg=PA99-IA63&lpg=PA99-IA63&dq=aramaic+tsade+zayin&source=bl&ots=MO8DLzyLIL&sig=Pojj3PGlBqrLdr174qtkc3Hqd7s&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuj9fc8tnVAhXGJFAKHe-FCHoQ6AEIYzAN#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20zayin&f=falsehttps://books.google.de/books?id=x2QRu5-rVZgC&pg=PA99-IA63&lpg=PA99-IA63&dq=aramaic tsade zayin&source=bl&ots=MO8DLzyLIL&sig=Pojj3PGlBqrLdr174qtkc3Hqd7s&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuj9fc8tnVAhXGJFAKHe-FCHoQ6AEIYzAN#v=onepage&q=aramaic%20tsade%20zayin&f=false[/url[/url]]
ne znayu naskolko eto officialni istochnik, no opyat taki govoritsya chto TZade ivrita eto Zade v arameiskom i daet Z v latini, tam je govoritsya - "Why Z for tzade? - There are lots of Jews today who pronounce the "tsade" sound as a Z sound. Z is the closest letter in the alphabet to the tsade sound."
http://loveandtruth.net/neopaleo.html
Vot eshe primeri, imena mest i lyudey soderjashchix Tsade pri perevode novogo zaveta davali ne Sigmu a Zeta,
- Nazaret /N-Ts-R-T/ pereshol v Ναζαρεθ /N-Z-R-Th/
- Tsiyyon /Ts- / pereshol v Zion /Z- /
A semitic Z tsade becoming a zeta.
- In judges 8 we have the Midianite king Zalmunna , the LXX transliterates with a sigma but Josephus in Antiquities V.6.5 uses a zeta.
- In genesis 13:10 we have the place Zoar and the LXX uses a zeta as does Josephus in Antiquitie I.11.4.
- In in 1 Samuel 14:4 there is a cliff called Bozez. The LXX uses a zeta (first) and a sigma (second).
- In Genesis 22.21 we have Uz and Buz. The LXX uses a zeta and Josephus uses both a zeta and a sigma in each word.
There was tendency for a semitic tsade falling between voiced consonants to take on a zayin sound in palestine.
Isxodya iz vsego vishe upomyanutogo posto fakt chto evreiskaya bukva TSade v arameiskom deistvitelno davala ne TS a S ili daje Z (chto vidno eshe naglyadnee pri perevodax imen)
Ya ne znayu na skolko eto tendenciya ostalas v pozdniye epoxi i proisxodyat li vishe upomyanutiye vzaimozameni po sei den, no eto dlya nas nichto ne manyayet, tak kak nam nujno znat chto proisxodilo togda, v epoxu kogda arameiski alfavit podgonyali dlya ispolzovaniya dlya gruzinskogo.
Posted by: emons
« on: September 7, 2017, 16:36 »Вот такая находка -
В монастыре Святой Екатерины нашли тексты на языках, считавшихся потерянными
В монастыре Святой Екатерины нашли тексты на языках, считавшихся потерянными
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С 2011 года по сей день исследовали обработали 74 палимпсеста. Это около 86000 страниц. Результаты оказались впечатляющими. 108 страниц из всех этих тысяч содержали ранее древнегреческие поэмы и работы, принадлежащие древнегреческому ученому Гиппократу.
Два текста принадлежали перу авторов из Кавказской Албании. Это древнее государство, возникшее в конце II— середине I веков до н. э. в восточном Закавказье, занимавшее часть территории современных Азербайджана, Грузии и Дагестана. Язык и письменность государства считалась потерянной вплоть до 20-го века. Символы были нанесены лишь на несколько каменных артефактов той эпохи. В конце прошлого века был найден палимпсест с текстом на этом языке, который многое дал ученым в плане изучения утерянного языка.
Еще было обнаружено несколько текстов на диалекте арамейского, так называемом христианском палестинским арамейском. Этот язык — смесь сирийского и греческого. Он «умер» в 13-м столетии, а узнали о нем вновь лишь в 18-м веке. Судя по текстам, у носителей этого языка была хорошо развита литература и искусство.
http://emel-library.org/gallery/sinai-palimpsests-processed-images/
Posted by: Tibaren
« on: August 16, 2017, 12:48 »Pridu domoi I skinu ssilki na knigi.
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