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Цитата: Маркоман от марта  6, 2012, 16:01

Цитата: iopq от марта  6, 2012, 15:57
except when Russian speakers say things like [каталак] instead of catalog

They cannot say such things. If they put the stress on the first syllable, they will reduce the last two to shcwa. "a" is pronounced in Russian only in  the stressed, the first prestressed and the inintial position.

that's what I mean, catalog has an "unstressed" or at least "tertiary-stressed" or whatever [ɔ] in the last syllable while Russian has a qualitative reduction

Цитата: Chocolate от марта  6, 2012, 15:58
The length of English vowels is one of the hardest thing to hear for a native speaker of Russian.

It is non-phonemic.

Цитата: iopq от марта  6, 2012, 15:57
except when Russian speakers say things like [каталак] instead of catalog

They cannot say such things. If they put the stress on the first syllable, they will reduce the last two to shcwa. "a" is pronounced in Russian only in  the stressed, the first prestressed and the inintial position.

Цитата: Маркоман от марта  6, 2012, 15:55
English stressed vowels give much harder time.

The length of English vowels is one of the hardest thing to hear for a native speaker of Russian.

Цитата: Маркоман от марта  6, 2012, 15:55

Цитата: iopq от марта  6, 2012, 15:53
you would be able to tell roses from Rosa's, but not vice versa because the pronunciation with schwa is allowed for roses, but schwi is not allowed for Rosa's

I see. I think vowel reduction is not the most difficult aspect of English pronunciation for Russians which can cause misunderstanding. English stressed vowels give much harder time.

except when Russian speakers say things like [каталак] instead of catalog

Цитата: iopq от марта  6, 2012, 15:53
you would be able to tell roses from Rosa's, but not vice versa because the pronunciation with schwa is allowed for roses, but schwi is not allowed for Rosa's

I see. I think vowel reduction is not the most difficult aspect of English pronunciation for Russians which can cause misunderstanding. English stressed vowels give much harder time.

Цитата: Маркоман от марта  6, 2012, 15:19

Цитата: iopq от марта  6, 2012, 15:05
because in roses it's not a schwa, it's a "schwi" - [ɨ]
Rosa's has a schwa

Can you really hear such a difference?

Цитата: iopq от марта  6, 2012, 15:05
also English has lots of unstressed diphthongs and all kinds of things that would make a Russian speaker's tongue fall off and run away

The same is vice versa, and only iopq can speak both languages effortlessly

you would be able to tell roses from Rosa's, but not vice versa because the pronunciation with schwa is allowed for roses, but schwi is not allowed for Rosa's

also, who says I speak Russian effortlessly? half of the words coming out of my mouth are in English
(the rest are Ukrainisms like жменя)

Цитата: iopq от марта  6, 2012, 15:05
because in roses it's not a schwa, it's a "schwi" - [ɨ]
Rosa's has a schwa

Can you really hear such a difference?

Цитата: iopq от марта  6, 2012, 15:05
also English has lots of unstressed diphthongs and all kinds of things that would make a Russian speaker's tongue fall off and run away

The same is vice versa, and only iopq can speak both languages effortlessly

Цитата: Маркоман от марта  6, 2012, 09:53

Цитата: iopq от марта  6, 2012, 03:15
the quality and the conditions of vowel reduction are not the same in English and in Russian

It reffers to initial or prestressed vowels, but what's the difference between shwa in Russian and shwa in English?

because in roses it's not a schwa, it's a "schwi" - [ɨ]
Rosa's has a schwa

also English has lots of unstressed diphthongs and all kinds of things that would make a Russian speaker's tongue fall off and run away

Цитата: iopq от марта  6, 2012, 03:15
the quality and the conditions of vowel reduction are not the same in English and in Russian

It reffers to initial or prestressed vowels, but what's the difference between shwa in Russian and shwa in English?