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Религиозные евреи (не хулиганы, конечно, о которых в этой теме, а действительно религиозные) основывают повседневную жизнь на ɦалахе, так что, читая современные ɦалахические книги, вполне можно представлять, как оно на самом деле.
Надо только добавить, что ɦалаха в разных общинах слегка различается, и книги это учитывают.
Есть ещё масса полурелигиозного народу, которая живёт не по ɦалахе, а по традициям своей общины или по велению правого мизинца левой ноги (последние, естественно, раввинов не слушаются).
Об их жизни по сводам ɦалахи, понятно, не узнаешь.

Цитата: FA от июля 25, 2012, 15:56
Книг? а устная традиция?

ɦалаха как раз основывается на устной традиции.

Книг? а устная традиция?
а то вы там о заповедях и преступлениях... а как же ухищрения и послабления?
и вот так вот и получается, что сперва знакомишься - одно выходит, движешься дальше, и оказывается, что все в точности наоборот...

Цитата: FA от июля 25, 2012, 15:33
А возможно ли с ним познакомиться, не будучи евреем?

Познакомиться, конечно, можно. Книг-то полно. И в интернете, в частности.

Цитата: mnashe от июля 24, 2012, 08:06
И не забывать пользоваться обычной логикой: если мы сравниваем две группы людей по наличию определённого признака (в данном случае — приверженность еврейской религии), то нужно сперва хоть немного познакомиться с этим самым признаком, и только тогда можно будет сравнить, у кого он выражен сильнее.

А возможно ли с ним познакомиться, не будучи евреем?

Хороший обзор о харедим (ультраортодоксах) как об одной из главных проблем Израиля (надо понимать по-английски).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhQjHJJI6U0&feature=related
Israel's Ultra-Orthodox Problem
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Mea She'arim to ban women from certain Jerusalem streets during ...
www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/1.389237Jul 8, 2012 – The ultra-Orthodox community in Mea She'arim is planning to ... in the Jerusalem neighborhood's streets on Sukkot, despite a High Court order forbidding it. .... Men who can't control their "hirhurim" when they see a woman ...

Israel High Court upholds ban on Sukkot gender segregation in ...
www.haaretz.com/.../israel-high-court-upholds-ban-on-sukkot-gende...Oct 16, 2011 – Police permitted ultra-Orthodox community to erect 26-meter long barrier in Mea She'arim, in what High Court says will be last time practice is ...

http://www.irac.org/NewsDetailes.aspx?ID=787
s fotografiej
...
About 30 women, as well as a few men, marched in the haredi neighborhood, as close as possible to the Mea She'arim entrance, under heavy police guard...

voiced new threats: "If the High Court allows such a thing to happen again, we will have no choice but to wage war, and we will take this war to the secular neighborhoods," warned Yoelish Krauss, the strategist of the Eda Haredit in response to the court's decision to allow the women's protest...

The demonstration was staged to protest against gender segregation, what the organizers called "rules that discriminate against and humiliate women" which recently reached new heights ...

A group of women – including religious women, such as members of Kolech and city council member Rahel Azaria (Yerushalmim) – decided that things had gone way too far this time. All the parties joined together and submitted a request to the High Court to obtain a permit to march inside the bastion of religious extremism and show that women, even if they are strictly observant, should not be mistreated, threatened or segregated on the grounds of religious purity...

For the first time, haredi leaders considered "moderate" have collaborated with the police, while at the same time there are increasing indications that many of the haredi residents themselves are fed up with the extremists' laws....
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Mea Shearim - Court Outlaws Gender-Segregation Mechitzas in ...
www.vosizneias.com/.../mea-shearim-court-outlaws-sex-segregation-...Oct 16, 2011 – Mea Shearim - Justice Beinisch says minority groups cannot take over ... that last year's High Court ruling which affirmed that gender separation is ... they have no interest weather you walk a street in NY together with a girl.

Woman, Baby Stoned By Haredim In Beit Shemesh - FailedMessiah ...
failedmessiah.typepad.com/.../woman-baby-stoned-by-haredim-in-be...Jul 8, 2012 – Haredim throw stone at cops Mea Shearim 7-13-11 A woman, deemed to be immodestly, and her 7-month-old baby were reportedly stoned by ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTj-YZc1JDI
J'lem: Thousands of Haredim protest enlistment

Да, люди будут служить в армии (в Израиле даже женщины служат в армии), а эти будут отсиживаться в своих ешивах. Бесстыжие они.

Цитата: Ильич от июля 24, 2012, 11:51

Цитата: Flos от июля 24, 2012, 11:42

Цитата: Ильич от июля 24, 2012, 11:20
Они живут общинами,

В больших городах тоже?

Честно говоря, не уверен, что в больших городах это так же распространено. Зато там больший выбор community/

Жила как в больших городах, так и в маленькой деревне в совсем сельском отсталом штате NH. Многие не принадлежат ни  к каким  религиозным communities, интеллигенты чуть не все нерелигиозные.
Правда, мой Technical Writer оказался православным (американец), просил меня показать ему православную церковь, я около жила. (При этом оказалось, как мне рассказали, он гомосексуал. )

В США очень много нерелигиозных людей, евреев в их числе.

Mой начальник на работе (по проиcxождению австрийский еврей) мне рассказывал (они не религиозные, что такое Песах и Йом Кипур знают, но в синагогу не ходят):

"Преставляешь, моя младшая дочка решила кашрут соблюдать (подростковые "искания"). А она очень любит   lobster sauce. Уж мы не говорим ей, что его делают не из лобстера, а из свинины...

Т. е. ни сам Стив, ни его вдруг ударившаяся в кашрут дочка не знают, что лобстер (омар) нисколько не более кашерен, чем свинина...

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2009/09/haredim-stone-girl-with-cinder-block-because-of-immodest-dress-345.html
Haredim Stone Girl With Cinder Block Because Of "Immodest" Dress
...
Haredim Block Road, Try To Close Parking Lot, Stone Cars
Clashes meant to protest Shabbat "desecration."

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2012/01/video-woman-attacked-by-haredim-in-beit-shemesh-567.html

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2012/07/woman-baby-stoned-by-haredim-in-beit-shemesh-123.html
Haredim Block Road, Try To Close Parking Lot, Stone Cars
Clashes meant to protest Shabbat "desecration."
etc


Фотографии, видео.
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http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/the-mea-she-arim-mob-1.289570
The Mea She'arim mob
By Shahar Ilan    | May.11, 2010 | 2:18 AM
      
THIS STORY IS BY
Shahar Ilan

Soldiers patrolling through the streets of Mea She'arim during Passover week found themselves in a situation they generally encounter only on the Palestinian side of the border. Local residents, the hard core of Jerusalem's ultra-Orthodoh community, began hurling stones at them. The soldiers were at a loss. The police were called in and were greeted by similar violence. The assailants ehplained to the ultra-Orthodoh media that the army was using the neighborhood to simulate operations in an inner-city environment, and the Haredim didn't want to let the authorities ruin the holiday atmosphere.

Hardly a week goes by in Mea She'arim without a stone-throwing incident, the torching of garbage containers or the blocking of streets. The public has gotten so used to the violence there that it's hard to notice that a new phenomenon has sprung up. In the past, the violence took place in the neighborhood mainly because of religious struggles. Now the very entrance of a government agency or service provider is a preteht for protest. Mea She'arim has become a dangerous place to visit.

In March, for ehample, police officers were attacked when they answered a call to break up a fight between a landlord and his tenants. In December, someone there painted "An end to filthy pictures" on the motorbike of a cable-company technician. Attacks on buses, window smashing and tire puncturing have become routine in Mea She'arim. On April 1, the ultra-Orthodoh Web site Kikar Hashabbat reported: "Passersby tell us that dozens of yeshiva students threw stones at a bus while some of their friends tried to block it with garbage cans. The rioters were trying to get on the bus to separate the male and female passengers."

The neighborhood has become a lawless no-man's-land. It's part of the ultra-Orthodoh community's process of radicalization. But there's no reason for radicalization to lead to unrestrained violence. These are not isolated ehcesses - large crowds take part in the incidents. Mea She'arim is ruled by the rabbinical court of the Eda Haredit, the ehtreme ultra-Orthodoh group that could stop the riotous behavior if it wanted to. But it doesn't want to.

The violence is encouraged by the police's kid-glove policy and fear of a full-scale confrontation with the ultra-Orthodoh. Jauite often, instead of facing off with the rioters, the police simply close off the neighborhood. There are daily attacks on soldiers, police, technicians and bus passengers without a clear response. The locals realize that Israeli law does not apply to them. They are immune to punishment.

It's not hard to understand the police. They know that arresting ultra-Orthodoh offenders and using reasonable force in Mea She'arim will generate heavy political pressure and draw sharp criticism from the United Torah Judaism party. Still, they must go back to enforcing the law of the land in the neighborhood. To do so, they must act firmly against rioters, use riot-dispersal measures and make arrests that lead to prosecutions. The internal security minister must give the police whatever backing is necessary.

Similarly, the authorities and service providers should function in Mea She'arim as they do in all other dangerous environments and cease operating until security is restored. This would not be collective punishment, but self-preservation. The same applies to the Egged bus company, which repeatedly endangers its passengers by entering Mea She'arim. It should stop doing so until the mob attacks on buses cease.

The writer is deputy director for research and public relations at Hiddush, a group that promotes religious freedom and ejauality.

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Цитата: Flos от июля 24, 2012, 11:42

Цитата: Ильич от июля 24, 2012, 11:20
Они живут общинами,

В больших городах тоже?

Честно говоря, не уверен, что в больших городах это так же распространено. Зато там больший выбор community/