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[quote author=Red Khan link=msg=1370813 date=1340913928]
Вот список цивилизаций, из правителей и языков, на котором они разговаривают с некоторыми комментариями (от знающих язык и нейтивов), взятыми из [url=http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=398606]той темы[/url] игрового форума. Думаю посетителям этого форума будет интересно:

Америка - Джордж Вашингтон - английский с южным (vaguely Virginian) акцентом

Аравия - Харун ар-Рашид - современный арабский ("formal Arabic (used in newspapers, etc)")

Ацтеки - Монтесума I - один из современных астекских языков (Nahuatl) "modern Nahuatl, with some Spanish."
[spoiler]Montezuma had his voice acting done in a studio in Mexico[/spoiler]

Китай - У Цзэтянь - Севернокитайский язык (Mandarin Chinese)
[spoiler]She uses "我" (I) in her speech. This is wrong. Emperors use "朕" (zhèng) to refer to themselves. This started with Qin Shi Huang (who was also in Civ 4) and has been in use ever since. It's something reserved specifically for the emperor and no one else.[/spoiler]

Египет - Рамсес II - современный египетский арабский "Egyptian-accented formal Arabic."
[spoiler]"Aside from the fact that Ramessess never spoke Arabic, the script and the VA do an excellent job sounding regal and official. If I heard it on the phone I knew I would be speaking to someone important."[/spoiler]

Англия - Елизавета I - современный английский

Франция - Наполеон I - современный французский

Германия - Отто фон Бисмарк - "слишком правильный" современный немецкий "exaggerated proper German"
[spoiler]"I would like to add that this is not "proper" german as I use it every day. For example I have never heard anyone using the word "Bösewicht", which I have translated as "villian", when adressing someone - only when talking about a book or movie do you use this word."
There where two sentences where even I didn't understand him allthough I am a native german. And most of it isn't "everyday-german"
"When I heard Bismarck for the first time I couldn't stop laughing. His pronunciation, the breaks between some of the words and really his whole way of speaking are a little bit...well, uncommon ^^ Verderbter Bösewicht!"
Also, "Wir nehmen es nicht an." (we do not accept [it]) isn't German, at least in my opinion. I mean, from a purely grammatical point of view it's correct, but it's...just not German, sorry I can't really describe it. He should have said "Wir nehmen Euer Angebot nicht an." (we do not accept your offer) or simply "Wir nehmen nicht an." (we do not accept)"
I guess the voice actor tried to make Bismarck sound hard or even harsh on some of the sentences by stressing the first syllable but in my ears he exaggerated. And you could probably explain weird phrases like "verderbter Bösewicht" as an attempt to make him sound like a statesman of the 19th century (rather than the 21st) though I doubt they really spoke like that
But like Beechwell and Azalnubizar I'm from an upper(=southern) german speaking region, so probably we should look for somebody coming from the region of Hannover where, as Azalnubizar stated before, people are believed to speak the "purest" form of (Standard) German (which Bismarck is speaking) because their dialect died out.[/spoiler]

Греция - Александр Македонский - древнегреческий (койне)

Индия - Махатма Ганди - современный хинди
[spoiler]"It's obvious that his lines were written in English and then translated to Hindi. The voice actor also seems to be an American Indian, and not really a native of India."
Gandhi consistently uses the standard, lower-class "I" in his dialogue, as opposed to the upper-class one which is used by leaders and other dignitaries. This is not inaccurate however, as Gandhi always used the lower-class "I" to my knowledge, being the humble man that he was.[/spoiler]

Ирокезы - Гайавата (Hiawatha) - современный могаукский (Mohawk)

Япония - Ода Нобунага - современный японский
[spoiler]"Nobunaga's speech patterns are of someone very polite but direct. This, to my knowledge, is typical of samurai speech patterns. I am not sure, but the distal-style comments (which are not many) add 'ru' after Tookyoo-ben would finish. I do not know if this is a samurai-style speech issue (as above), or if it marks using a difference dialect. He is not speaking a Kansai dialect, AFAICT, but he may be speaking something that is not Tookyoo-ben. "[/spoiler]

Турция - Сулейман I - современный турецкий
[spoiler]"where did they get this guy?(narrator). It seems they made a time machine and get an actor from 70s turkish movies. The talking style is considered very funny or silly in Turkey. There is even a comedy series that mocks this style of talking. Just imagine an very bad Elvis wannabee trying to talk like Elvis."[/spoiler]

Персия - Дарий I - древняя форма арамейского, потому что он использовался в державе Ахеменидов
[spoiler]
"The VA seems to be speaking some sort of modern Aramaic judging by the Arabized pronoun "entu" instead of ant/at, and some vocalizations that differ from classical ones."

Here is the blog of the man who translated the Aramaic for Firaxis
http://aramaicdesigns.blogspot.com/2011/01/cid-meyers-civilization-5-in-aramaic.html
So, a while back I took a rather elaborate translation job by a voice acting company who wanted to translate a large amount of dialog from English into Imperial Aramaic so that Darius The Great of Persia could speak in his native tongue for a video game. After it was done, I tried emailing them back a few times to find out how the work was used and if I could get some samples from the voice actor they used to no avail...

You should have seen my shock when I came across Darius speaking those very lines I translated in a YouTube video for Civilization 5 released back in September. Talk about ultimate geek street-cred.

It was a project fraught with perils that only William Fulco could understand. :-)

Darius' native tongue was Old Persian, but Aramaic was sort of his "hobby language" of which he had enough enthusiasm for to make it the official language of the western half of his empire and the vehicle of international commerce. It was a language that he, himself, did a good deal of correspondence in.

I started working from actual documents that he sent, using the greetings and partings, and for some of the more modern lines I had to get a bit creative, even re-writing them to things that were more period-appropriate. When it was all said and done, I packaged everything together in sound files to give the voice actor something to go by as well as a little pep-talk about its historical significance.

He seems to have done it justice. :-)
[/spoiler]

Рим - Гай Юлий Цезарь - классическая латынь с классическим произношением
[spoiler][url=http://latindiscussion.com/forum/latin/civilization-v.9723/]Обсуждение с актёром озвучивания[/url]
"I studied Latin for three years, though I claim to be no expert! The voice actor for Caesar did an awesome job of speaking "Classical" Latin, which sounds VERY different from later "Church" Latin. It might sound funny to your ear because you are more familiar with later "Church" Latin and vulgate-vernacular Latin dialects which developed into the Italian language today."[/spoiler]

Россия - Екатерина II - современный русский

Сиам - Рамакхамхаенг Великий - современный тайский с вкраплениями старых слов
[spoiler]"mixture of old and modern Thai."
"With Thai it extends much further than a simple formal vs informal distinction. You can speak formally/informally as a commoner would or as a Buddhist monk would or as a King would. Sometimes Ram is speaking informally as a commoner would.
The weird thing is that he changes between speaking in a very formal way and 'market talk'. This is something a King of Siam/Thailand wouldn't do, one imagines."[/spoiler]

Сонгай - Аския Мохаммед I - один из сонгайских языков (Zarma?)

Вавилон - Навуходоносор II - аккадский язык

Дания - Харальд I Синезубый - современный датский "contemporary Danish with some archaic words"

Инки - Пачакутек Юпанки - какой-то из языков кечуа
[spoiler]Guys my dad DOES understand most of what Pachacuti says, he is fairly pleased with the translations (he mentions that it could be better ofc but its not like Civ5 will hire a true inca descendant to do the job). I will be editing this post as he tells me about it. Depending on the quechua zone you can swap the C for Q' or K. Thats a very deep discussion over here but since my dad is not from Cuzco he insisted that I use C hehe.[/spoiler]

Корея - Седжон Великий - современный корейский с южным акцентом

Монголия - Чингизхан - современный (не классический) монгольский

Полинезия - Камеамеа I - гавайский язык
[spoiler]
Insight on the voice-acting experience from Kamehameha's voice actor (University of Hawaii scholar):
"Firaxis found me through recommendations from studios here, casting about for someone fluent in the language with a big voice. I don't usually do commercial work, but several studios are familiar with me (I'm a long-time teacher here, and have been recorded often). Firaxis said they were having the text translated and would deliver it quickly. I said I'd be editing it before I'd record it, as I would not be willing to record what I think is poor-quality Hawaiian.

Turns out they could not find a commercial translator for the Hawaiian text (they're rather rare), so I recommended one of our M.A. graduates in Hawaiian language. His expertise was accepted, and he translated the text. As a courtesy, he then worked with me to make sure I liked the wording and choice of idioms. Thus I was allowed to tailor the text to what I was comfortable expressing, and although he was the translator, I take responsibility for what got said and how it was voiced.

In the studio, I mostly tried to follow the director's lead on expression of text, volume, and quality of voice, but I had lots of flexibility. I'm fluent in Hawaiian and the director wasn't, so he listened when I had suggestions. Once we agreed how a line would be read, it was read that way. We did each line in one take, and then added a second take of each line for safety. It went pretty quickly, just over an hour. I met no other voice actors, and was alone in the studio. The recordings were done here in Hawai'i. The director was patched in by phone from somewhere afar."

"The voice actor doesn't translate the lines, it has to be done by separate people. It's a quality control to make sure the person doesn't just start cursing or something because no one would be able to call them on it.

The voice actor for Kamehameha commented on this. He refused to say anything that wasn't accurately translated and was able to convince them to let his colleague do the translations, but he still wasn't allowed to do them himself. "
[/spoiler]

Испания - Изабелла I - современный испанский Испании
[spoiler]"She speaks spanish with a a dialect which is natural to Spain (Or rather old spanish). She uses proper words such as preparaos, estais and deciais, which I never hear in spanish dialects from the Caribbean, Central and South American spanish."
"I find weird that she talks about herself with "yo" (I) instead of "nos" (We), since she is a queen.
her use of the 2nd person of the plural when talking to another king or emperor is not really old spanish, it's just absurdly respectful nowadays. This construction has been lost in Latin America, but you could theoretically still use it in Spain. People would look at you weirdly, though, unless you are speaking to the King. " [/spoiler]

Австрия - Мария Терезия - австрийский (венский) диалект современного немецкого
[spoiler]
"Viennese-accented German with a few old-fashioned words"
"OK, she says the following with a perfect and cute little austrian accent - and also a slight hint of aristocracy and old-fashioned-ness:"
[/spoiler]

Византия - Феодора (супруга Юстиниана I) - греческий

Карфаген - Дидона - финикийский
[spoiler]"Speaks Canaaninte/Phoenician, with modern Israeli accent (but this is not Hebrew, not modern and not classical)"[/spoiler]

Кельты - Боудикка - современный валлийский "Modern (media type) Welsh"

Эфиопия - Хайле Селассие I - современный амхарский язык(?)

Гунны - Аттила - испорченный чувашский

Майя - Пакаль - возможно юкатекский язык

Нидерланды - Вильгельм I Оранский - нидерландский
[spoiler]William uses a lot of antiquated words and grammar tough, nice touch.[/spoiler]

Швеция - Густав II Адольф - современный шведский
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Автор Red Khan

- декабря 5, 2017, 23:37

Цитата: Totenkopf от декабря 5, 2017, 17:41
Было и "малалла кала" - "продолжай говорить"

Вроде не было такого:
http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Attila_(Civ5)#Lines

Правда уже сколько лет прошло, я не помню.

Автор Totenkopf

- декабря 5, 2017, 17:41

Было и "малалла кала" - "продолжай говорить"

Автор Bhudh

- ноября 24, 2017, 17:31

Дело элементарно в том, что изображения движком + браузером масштабируются непропорционально по длине и ширине.
Так же, как и аватарки, кстати, они так и растягиваются до стандарта 140×140 px, даже если по какому-то из габаритов не таковы.

Автор DarkMax2

- ноября 24, 2017, 16:26

Цитата: Bhudh от ноября 23, 2017, 21:06
Как он выглядит в смартфоне:

У меня ещё хуже в "Опере". Думаю, дело в самом форуме.

Автор Bhudh

- ноября 24, 2017, 14:07

Недавно в игре вылезла его наглая реклама с надписью «Ваш браузер устарел!».
Интересно, откуда он об этом узнал?

Автор true

- ноября 24, 2017, 13:42

UC Browser попробуйте. Лучший для мобил, я считаю.

Автор Bhudh

- ноября 24, 2017, 13:04

Опера Мини v. 12.0.1987.97260.

Автор true

- ноября 24, 2017, 05:24

Что у вас за браузер?

Автор Bhudh

- ноября 23, 2017, 21:06

Как он выглядит в смартфоне:

Автор DarkMax2

- ноября 23, 2017, 20:14

Цитата: Red Khan от июня 28, 2012, 23:03
Ацтеки - Монтесума I - один из современных астекских языков (Nahuatl) "modern Nahuatl, with some Spanish."

А откуда Н в имени Моктесума?
Кстати! У Монтесумы ІІ-го остались потомки. Даже с титулом!
(wiki/ru) Герцог_Монтесума_де_Тультенго

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