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Автор Marius
- февраля 12, 2014, 00:54Цитата: Letters from God and His Christ (excerpt)My people are slain and disemboweled and paraded through the streets, hung upon the walls as trophies and spoils of war, IN THE NAME OF THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, according to the name by which I am called among them. Yet I am not their God. And though I AM, even God alone, Allah is NOT My name! For this "allah" is no god! He is an idol, the works of men written in a book, a graven image!... Oh sons of Ishmael, you have all become sons of perdition, adopted children of satan, from which your religion came forth. Your prophet was deceived by the devil; at no time did he hear My voice, I sent no messenger to him... You are all deceived, acolytes of satan, sons of Cain!Это всё-таки Ишмаэль и Ислам.
Did I not choose Isaac and send Ishmael away? Did I not preserve Isaac from sacrifice, and provide The Lamb? Was not Abraham's fear of The Lord perfect among his generations? Yet you do not fear Me, and for My people you have no regard... Is Israel a homeborn slave in your eyes?! Did Jacob steal your possession by treachery?! Or is it you who has rejected your inheritance?! Thus you are as reprobate silver to Me, and Israel shall be treasured among the nations! And He who sits upon the throne of David shall be Lord over you, forever; for on Mount Zion there shall be deliverance and holiness to The Lord! The descendants of Isaac shall possess your possessions, and the house of Jacob shall rule the land, for My Olive Tree shall overshadow all nations!... Blessed, therefore, are all those who eat of it and seek shelter beneath its branches.
Yet you only conceive violence in your heart against your neighbor, and murderous thoughts against your own brother! Behold only hate fills your heart, and abhorrence runs through your veins like poison!... A wild man without conscience! Thus your iniquity has not ceased, and your transgression is increased beyond measure! For it is written, "Your hand shall be against every man, and every man's hand against you."
For you are full of pride, and your ego swells like water upon the flood plains of Egypt, thus the pride of your heart has greatly deceived you. Therefore I shall leave you desolate in the Day of Recompense. And in the day My witnesses stand up, upon you there shall be no rain, neither the former nor the latter... FOR I AM AGAINST YOU! Says The God of Jacob. I have set My eyes upon you for harm, and not for good! For I shall surely return your reprisal upon your own head; and as you have done, so shall it be done to you! Shall I not cause the land to tremble before Me and sift you from the holy lands, dividing you asunder, allotting you your portion among those appointed to wrath?! For I shall surely slay all your mighty men of battle! Behold, even I shall bring your generation to a sudden end, leaving not one male among you above twenty years of age! For I shall surely turn your land into mourning and leave all your women childless!
Yet among the heavy-laden, those who are severely oppressed because of you, I shall have mercy; for from among them I shall bring forth a remnant. For I have seen the hearts of the battered, and I know the minds of the oppressed; I have looked upon those with no hope, of whom you held captive from birth; I know who longs for Me. Behold, even I shall come forth from My place and deliver them, even every captive. For the tears of My people are great because of you, and the women among you weep because you are brutish, O sons of Ishmael. Thus I shall deliver them from your hand, and you shall be sent away, for you have not known Me, says The Lord.
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Автор Валентин Н
- января 5, 2014, 20:22Цитата: Marius от января 5, 2014, 16:30Ну-тык — евреи же, посреди всех братьев-арабов живут, а не наоборот.
его рука во всех и рука всех в нём и вокруг/около всех его братьев он живёт.
Автор Marius
- января 5, 2014, 16:30Перевод Самаритянского текста на арабский:
Цитата: Abu SaidМой перевод новичка: Он является диким из людей его рука во всех и рука всех в нём и вокруг/около всех его братьев он живёт.
هو يكون وحشيًّا من الناس يدُهُ بالكلّ ويد الكلّ به وحول كلّ اخوته يسكن
Автор Валентин Н
- января 2, 2014, 17:19Цитата: Marius от января 2, 2014, 15:20Вот именно, что нет. А евреи соответствуют. Всем заправляют, но и везде шпыняют.
"Его рука во/на всех, и рука каждного на него", Ислам соответствует этому описанию?
Автор Marius
- января 2, 2014, 15:20Пытаться толковать Библейские пророчества на основе одного только стиха вещь конечно ненадёжная.
"Его рука во/на всех, и рука каждного на него", Ислам соответствует этому описанию? Или пророчеству надлежит скоро исполнится?![:-\](https://lingvoforum.net/Smileys/default/sm_confused.gif ":-\")
Или же евреи идущие по ложному пути, по функционалу уподобляются Ишмаэлю?
"Его рука во/на всех, и рука каждного на него", Ислам соответствует этому описанию? Или пророчеству надлежит скоро исполнится?
Или же евреи идущие по ложному пути, по функционалу уподобляются Ишмаэлю?
Автор snn
- января 1, 2014, 18:41Валь, чо за херь?
Автор Marius
- января 1, 2014, 18:40Цитата: Genesis 16:12 Hebrew-Samaritan-Greek-Latin-ChaldeeНе так всё просто
והוא יהיה פרא אדם ידו בכל ויד כל בו ועל־פני כל־אחיו ישׁכן׃And he will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be upon all, and everyone's hand upon him, and before all his brothers he will dwell.
:הוא יהי פשה אנשה: אדה בכלה: ואד כלה בה: ועל אפי כל תלימיו ישריHe will be fertile of man. His hand will be with everyone. And everyone's hand will be with him. And he will live among all his brothers.
οὗτος ἔσται ἄγροικος ἄνθρωπος· αἱ χεῖρες αὐτοῦ ἐπὶ πάντας, καὶ αἱ χεῖρες πάντων ἐπ᾿ αὐτόν, καὶ κατὰ πρόσωπον πάντων τῶν ἀδελφῶν αὐτοῦ κατοικήσει.
He shall be a wild man, his hands against all, and the hands of all against him, and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
hic erit ferus homo manus eius contra omnes et manus omnium contra eum et e regione universorum fratrum suorum figet tabernacula
He will be a wild man. His hand will be against all, and all hands will be against him. And he will pitch his tents away from the region of all his brothers.
והוא יהי מרוד באנשא הוא יהי צריך לכולא ואף אנשא יהון צריכין ליה ועל אפי כל אחוהי ישריAnd he will be untameable by man, and he will be needy to every one, and also all men will be needy to him, and before the face of all his brethren will he dwell.
Автор Валентин Н
- декабря 29, 2013, 23:01Я её второй раз поднимал, но почему-то игнорируется местными.
Автор Marius
- декабря 29, 2013, 22:58Темка интересная, есть чё новости с 2009-го?
Автор Искандер
- июля 14, 2010, 21:31Оговаривается, но после Каина с Абелем.