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Цитата: Искандер от августа  2, 2011, 22:01

Цитата: Konay от августа  2, 2011, 21:17
Но прохладно в смысле холодно, а не так, что летняя прохлада.

Simply to say "холодрыга"

холод just a humble opinion of mine...

"холодрыга" = freaking cold

We need a native speaker to help us with this one...

Цитата: svobodný от августа  2, 2011, 21:32

Цитата: Karakurt от августа  1, 2011, 21:02
I don't like English phonetics, it's really difficult.

mm, shouldn't it be phonology?

English phonology is not hard if you master English phonetics

this is because the constraints are stricter than Russian phonology, many clusters are simplified
now try to get an English speaker to pronounce Днепр and he'll shit bricks

Цитата: iopq от августа  3, 2011, 03:23
now try to get an English speaker to pronounce Днепр and he'll shit bricks

Пал'яниця?

Цитата: Искандер от августа  1, 2011, 21:12
Indeed have not thou

hast not thou

Цитата: Konay от августа  1, 2011, 21:14
Ooouuu, sounds so Germanic. Good thing they don't speak like that anymore 

It is a pity.

Цитата: Konay от августа  1, 2011, 21:23
The one they spoke in the 16th century 

Back then, one could still use spake on a par with spoke.

Цитата: Konay от августа  1, 2011, 21:29
I like Freud.

Цитата: Ellidi от августа  3, 2011, 10:46

Цитата: Konay от августа  1, 2011, 21:14
Ooouuu, sounds so Germanic. Good thing they don't speak like that anymore 

It is a pity.

It is a pity Nazi hadn't won the WWII, right? Indeed, our language in that case would have sounded so damn pretty!

Цитата: iopq от августа  3, 2011, 03:23
English phonology is not hard if you master English phonetics

this is because the constraints are stricter than Russian phonology, many clusters are simplified
now try to get an English speaker to pronounce Днепр and he'll shit bricks

I mean the mistake, that Karakurt has made earlier, by writing English phonetics, not phonology.
Of course it is possible to master English phonology. The only thing you have to do is listen to natives and imitate their patterns of speech.
Not only consonant clusters are awful in Russian.. reduced vowels are hideous as well

Цитата: Konay от августа  3, 2011, 10:50
It is a pity Nazi hadn't won the WWII, right?

No sensible person could agree with that. Especially after the insidious and calamitous incursion into USSR and all concomitant atrocities.

Цитата: Ellidi от августа  3, 2011, 10:46
It is a pity.

By this sentence you imply, that language must not evolve at all, am I right?

Цитата: Ellidi от августа  3, 2011, 10:56
Especially after the insidious and calamitous incursion into USSR and all concomitant atrocities.

Dear God... Have you ever considered looking into a Legal dictionary? Your styles are so intermixed, that your written language is more and more goobledygookish, than it was before..

Цитата: svobodný от августа  3, 2011, 10:55
I mean the mistake, that Karakurt has made earlier, by writing English phonetics, not phonology.

Why do you think it is a mistake?

Цитата: Karakurt от августа  3, 2011, 11:01
Why do you think it is a mistake?

Because phonetics is a science of sounds in general, while phonology is associated with a certain language.

Цитата: svobodný от августа  3, 2011, 11:04

Цитата: Karakurt от августа  3, 2011, 11:01
Why do you think it is a mistake?

Because phonetics is a science of sounds in general, while phonology is associated with a certain language.

Er, wut?.. 
Phonetics refers to sounds, while phonology basically refers to phonemes.

Цитата: svobodný от августа  3, 2011, 11:04
Because ...

You're wrong, my friend.

Цитата: Ellidi от августа  3, 2011, 10:46
hast not thou

þenne watz gawan ful glad and gomenly he la3ed
        now I þonk yow þryuandely þur3 alle oþer þynge
        now acheued is my chaunce I schal at your wylle
        dowelle and ellez do quat 3e demen

svobodný, if you have descried any blunder or mistake committed by me, please lay it bare. Disparaging my style just because it displeases you is overly subjective, to say the least.

Цитата: svobodný от августа  3, 2011, 10:58
Have you ever considered looking into a Legal dictionary? Your styles are so intermixed, that your written language is more and more goobledygookish, than it was before..

Have you ever considered busying yourself with M. Heidegger or D. G. Rossetti? Thereby you could enrich considerably your style.

And whom those all Heideggerres are?

Цитата: svobodný от августа  3, 2011, 10:58
Legal dictionary

is it concret artifact or some genera?

Цитата: Искандер от августа  3, 2011, 11:18
And whom those all Heideggerres are?

Martin Heidegger is an illustrious existentialist philosopher with a matchless writing style. (wiki/ru) Хайдеггер,_Мартин

Philosophist... ei hyödyllinen lukeminen

Цитата: Awwal12 от августа  3, 2011, 11:10
Er, wut?.. 
Phonetics refers to sounds, while phonology basically refers to phonemes.

and phonemes are in languages, right? so by mastering the pronounciation of the language you have to know the exact set of phonemes, not phones.

Цитата: Karakurt от августа  3, 2011, 11:10
You're wrong, my friend.

Yeah, right. Read above, now.

Цитата: Ellidi от августа  3, 2011, 11:13
svobodný, if you have descried any blunder or mistake committed by me, please lay it bare. Disparaging my style just because it displeases you is overly subjective, to say the least.

How many times do I have to write to you that no one writes like that? Your style does not exist in English language. Your written language is not English. Period. Your lexis is a mix of styles. I repeat: a MIX of styles. That's a stylistic error. One big stylistic errors of your is a MIX of styles. Understood it?

Цитата: Ellidi от августа  3, 2011, 11:30
Martin Heidegger is an illustrious existentialist philosopher with a matchless writing style. (wiki/ru) Хайдеггер,_Мартин

I believe you haven't heard about synonims. I've seen that 'illustrious' word for, like, over 9000 times. Get a dictionary. Get a dictionary, now.

Цитата: svobodný от августа  3, 2011, 13:13
and phonemes are in languages, right? so by mastering the pronounciation of the language you have to know the exact set of phonemes, not phones.

I forgot to mention the intonation pattern as well as the stress in English.

Цитата: svobodný от августа  3, 2011, 13:18
I forgot to mention the intonation pattern as well as the stress in English.

It's prosodics

Цитата: Искандер от августа  3, 2011, 13:26
It's prosodics

Prosody*, not prosodics

It doesn't matter, really. I really hope that you people have a good base in articulatory phonetics, so I'm mostly concerned with English phonology. That's why it's essential to know the details of phonological theory, that can be applied to the very act of speech.