Turkic borrowings in English

[ShOn]

Are there any turkic borrowings in English used nowadays?

[Karakurt]

curd could be one, but not sure. doodle is suggested too

[christo_tamarin]

Are there any turkic borrowings in English used nowadays?

What about yogurt?

[Dana]

Are there any turkic borrowings in English used nowadays?

Here's the list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Turkic_origin

[Hadji-Murat]

As far as I can judge, there is quite a number of turkic words in the English language. Here are some of such ones for example: bronze, horde, sabre, khaki, jasmin (jasmine, jessamine), jade, jasper, silk (< gr. serikon < saryg ~sary 'yellow' - chromatic symbol of the centre of the Earth, that is China), folk and other borrowed words, meaning objects and phenomena related to the Oriental reality. Amongst them we can find many ethnonyms as well. 

[Karakurt]

Hadji-Murat, the only word that is used often is yogurt. Your post looks rather freaky

[Xico]

folk

khaki

A linguofreak detected.

[Искандер]

jasmin

also is a direct persian borrowing...

[Искандер]

silk (< gr. serikon < saryg ~sary 'yellow' - chromatic symbol of the centre of the Earth, that is China)

He's really unreally freak.
Greek Σῆρες sort of tries to say us...

[Karakurt]

He's one of many linguofreaks on //forum-eurasica.ru, which I combat.

[Borovik]

Here's the list:
(wiki/en) List_of_English_words_of_Turkic_origin

The list lacks "Urals", for one...

[autolyk]

Vasmer disagrees with you: the mountains name derives from Vogul ūr-al "top of the hill".

[Borovik]

Vasmer disagrees with you: the mountains name derives from Vogul ūr-al "top of the hill".

I am aware of that derivation attempt. The problem with it is that such appelation of the mountains has never been attested among Mansi (the modern name of Vogul) - Mansi never actually called the mountains "Ural" until late 19th century when it was borrowed from Russian. Nor has it been for any other native Uralic ethnic group (Udmurt, Komi, Khanty, Nenets) except Bashkirs.

If you look into the Bashkir use of that name, it is extensive and well supported locally: Ural-batyr is a Bashkir epic tale; Ural-taw is a name of a specific mountain range in the Southern Urals. Let me remind that Bashkirs are a native Turkic ethic group indigenous to the Southern Urals.

A quick look into the early (16-17th century) use of that name in Russian also shows that it was first used for the Southern part of the mountains, later expanging to the entire mountain range.

[Karakurt]

What's the etymology then?

[Borovik]

What's the etymology then?

Oblique. Could be early Turkic or pre-Turkic

[autolyk]

Mansi never actually called the mountains "Ural"

It is really true, but borrowing the word does not always accompany borrowing the meaning. Cf: a word "kangaroo" derives from one of Pama-Nyungan languages, but it means a "kind of animal" only in English and some other European languages.

Цитата: Karakurt от Сегодня в 12:21

What's the etymology then?

Oblique. Could be early Turkic or pre-Turkic

I do not assert Vasmer's etymology is the most perfect, but a certain etymology is better oblique one (IMHO). 

[Borovik]

Mansi never actually called the mountains "Ural"

It is really true, but borrowing the word does not always accompany borrowing the meaning. Cf: a word "kangaroo" derives from one of Pama-Nyungan languages, but it means a "kind of animal" only in English and some other European languages.

Цитата: Karakurt от Сегодня в 12:21

What's the etymology then?

Oblique. Could be early Turkic or pre-Turkic

I do not assert Vasmer's etymology is the most perfect, but a certain etymology is better oblique one (IMHO).

well, two or three derivations from Bashkir are readily available, no worse than the Mansi

There's one simple argument: for a word to originate from Mansi, it MUST exist in that language more than in a form of a mechanical comination of two roots against the grammatical rules of that language, doesn't it?

[autolyk]

There's one simple argument: for a word to originate from Mansi, it MUST exist in that language more than in a form of a mechanical comination of two roots against the grammatical rules of that language, doesn't it?

They do exist. Ūr means "a hill, a mountain". A word al now is not used independently, but the following word compositions  show its meaning: ala - roof, algal - upwards, alpīsov - man's skin, — "an upper part".

[Borovik]

There's one simple argument: for a word to originate from Mansi, it MUST exist in that language more than in a form of a mechanical comination of two roots against the grammatical rules of that language, doesn't it?

They do exist. Ūr means "a hill, a mountain". A word al now is not used independently, but the following word compositions  show its meaning: ala - roof, algal - upwards, alpīsov - man's skin, — "an upper part".

Bashkir:
Ural "crankle, curve, bend"
Bashkir оr~ur~ür~ör "гора, высокое место"
These two are the most commonly cited derivations.
Let me remind that the use of the name among Bashkirs the amply attested, including mythology, folklore, local place names.
Choose which of the two explanations you like 

[Karakurt]

How do you derive ural from ür?

[Borovik]

How do you derive ural from ür?

I do not derive it from the modern language's positions.

[Karakurt]

caique < kayık